Tuesday, December 27, 2005
ME and B usually have some arguments about different issues, which at the end we never get to any conclusion, we just talk and express what we think, and I usually ask the questions and defeat his answers.
These conversations are intersting for me and i'm thinking to write them down here, maybe later on would be a good reference for some subject to study.
Tonight we went to see the movie "Memories of a Giesha"
and the questions are:
weather or not men are more powerful than women ( physically)?
if it is/or if it was ( beacuse in majority of cultures women have been sold and bought by men) is it by nature or is it by culture?
If it is by culture then why most this is what ppl believED in most of the cultures?
If by nature men are physically more powerful, then in what respect women are more powerful?
or should I just put it in cultural way and say men are physically DIFFERENT by women, ( It doesn't mean they are more powerful or not)?
If its just cultural, and by nature, men and women enjoy s-e-x in almost the same way ( just a physical s-e-x) and what we have been FEELING is what we have been LEARN by CULTURE, then it means that there is no "basic virtue". Then as long as u haven't been LEARN that what you are doing is wrong, then you are free to enjoy every plesaure.
Then women and men can enjoy the phsyical part of the s-e-x in the same way and they can engage the emotional part in the same way.
[ If I would have an island and bunch of kids, I would have left them in the island and then after 20 years, when ppl had sex with each other, I would have asked girls weather or not they feel different, weather or not they would call it rape, or they would have enjoy it? then I would have known weather it has soem thing to do with culture or nature)
B beleives that this empowerment of men comes from both nature and culture, it was by nature that men are looking for beautiful healthy.... women, and women looks for healthy, strong men. and beacuse men were phsyically more strong than women, they ended up looking for food and do the hunting. and women beacsue of her feeling ended up to be the caregiver ( THis "care giver" is one of those words, I prefer the "care getters") and beacuse humen were living in socitey, then men started to sell and buy thier hunts, and these selling and buysing couse them to have the money, and beacuse women didn't hunt they didn't have any thing out of house to sell or buy. so men had the food so the power.
[ So my qousetion would be couldn't women have the power, couse men are the one who are lookinbg for the sex, so by giving or not giving the sex, women would have the power, seems like this is how the prostitution begins, by trying to recieve the power]
But if we believe that by nature women (and not only beacuse of the culture) have diferent feeling women, which would makes them give the priority to having s-e-x with feeling envolve rather than just a phsical act, while men give the priority to having s-e-x ( seems like all my problem is this, and seems like this is what i called men empowerment) then would that means that by NATURE men needs more than one sextual partner, and being promiscuous?
B believes that men by nature are promiscuous, but by usuing thier MIND and knowledge they have to learn to commite. to have all the equal ritghs.
This way we would have problem of Nature v.s Logic and thinking.
( THis could make sence in the way that, by nature we are lazy adn we prefer to eat and sleep ( pleasures according to our nature) however if we don't do any exercise and we just take advantage of pleasure of sleeping and eating, then we won't become phsyically streong and healthy))
so that means that we can and we should take advantage of all the pleasures as much as they obey our logics.
[so the problem is what is our logics]? the bad thing about sex is, unlike sleeping and eatign its not very visible to draw a line that when and where we are underline of having s-e-x and when we are so overdoze the pleasure.
Comments-[ comments.]
These conversations are intersting for me and i'm thinking to write them down here, maybe later on would be a good reference for some subject to study.
Tonight we went to see the movie "Memories of a Giesha"
and the questions are:
weather or not men are more powerful than women ( physically)?
if it is/or if it was ( beacuse in majority of cultures women have been sold and bought by men) is it by nature or is it by culture?
If it is by culture then why most this is what ppl believED in most of the cultures?
If by nature men are physically more powerful, then in what respect women are more powerful?
or should I just put it in cultural way and say men are physically DIFFERENT by women, ( It doesn't mean they are more powerful or not)?
If its just cultural, and by nature, men and women enjoy s-e-x in almost the same way ( just a physical s-e-x) and what we have been FEELING is what we have been LEARN by CULTURE, then it means that there is no "basic virtue". Then as long as u haven't been LEARN that what you are doing is wrong, then you are free to enjoy every plesaure.
Then women and men can enjoy the phsyical part of the s-e-x in the same way and they can engage the emotional part in the same way.
[ If I would have an island and bunch of kids, I would have left them in the island and then after 20 years, when ppl had sex with each other, I would have asked girls weather or not they feel different, weather or not they would call it rape, or they would have enjoy it? then I would have known weather it has soem thing to do with culture or nature)
B beleives that this empowerment of men comes from both nature and culture, it was by nature that men are looking for beautiful healthy.... women, and women looks for healthy, strong men. and beacuse men were phsyically more strong than women, they ended up looking for food and do the hunting. and women beacsue of her feeling ended up to be the caregiver ( THis "care giver" is one of those words, I prefer the "care getters") and beacuse humen were living in socitey, then men started to sell and buy thier hunts, and these selling and buysing couse them to have the money, and beacuse women didn't hunt they didn't have any thing out of house to sell or buy. so men had the food so the power.
[ So my qousetion would be couldn't women have the power, couse men are the one who are lookinbg for the sex, so by giving or not giving the sex, women would have the power, seems like this is how the prostitution begins, by trying to recieve the power]
But if we believe that by nature women (and not only beacuse of the culture) have diferent feeling women, which would makes them give the priority to having s-e-x with feeling envolve rather than just a phsical act, while men give the priority to having s-e-x ( seems like all my problem is this, and seems like this is what i called men empowerment) then would that means that by NATURE men needs more than one sextual partner, and being promiscuous?
B believes that men by nature are promiscuous, but by usuing thier MIND and knowledge they have to learn to commite. to have all the equal ritghs.
This way we would have problem of Nature v.s Logic and thinking.
( THis could make sence in the way that, by nature we are lazy adn we prefer to eat and sleep ( pleasures according to our nature) however if we don't do any exercise and we just take advantage of pleasure of sleeping and eating, then we won't become phsyically streong and healthy))
so that means that we can and we should take advantage of all the pleasures as much as they obey our logics.
[so the problem is what is our logics]? the bad thing about sex is, unlike sleeping and eatign its not very visible to draw a line that when and where we are underline of having s-e-x and when we are so overdoze the pleasure.
Comments:
روانشناسان تکامل تا به حال در این کار موفق بوده اند که بسیاری از رفتارهای انسان امروزی را به شرایط زندگی انسانهای اولیه ربط دهند. فرض اولیه روانشناسی تکامل این است که مغز انسان نیز مانند دیگر اعضای او در طول زمان تکامل پیدا کرده است: همانطور که کاربرد قلب در این است که خون را برای زنده ماندن به بدن برساند، مغز ما نیز این وظیفه را دارد که اعمال ما را طوری کنترل کند که ما بتوانیم زنده بمانیم و تولید مثل کنیم، و اجداد ما آن انسانهای اولیه ای هستند که رفتار درستی با هم قبیله های خود و در محیط زیست داشته اند و در نتیجه موفق بوده اند. بنابر این نه تنها مقاومت بدن ما یا اعضای حسی ما تکامل پیدا کرده اند، بلکه احساسات و علاقه ها و تواناییهای فکری ما نیز بر روی یک زندگی "شکار و شکارچی" تنظیم شده است. اما این تطبیق با محیط، نتوانسته است به پای رشد سریع تکنولوژی و تمدن برسد، و نتیجه این است که ما با مغز " انسان عصر حجر" در زمان مدرن زندگی می کنیم. این تناقض در بسیاری از موقعیتهای زندگی ما خود را نشان می دهد: مثلا اینکه ما علاقه به خوردن غذاهای چرب یا شیرین داریم ، با وجود اینکه این مواد غذایی که در آن دوران کمیاب و ارزشمند بوده اند، امروزه همه جا پیدا می شوند، یا اینکه هراس از مار و عقرب به ما به ارث میرسد، با اینکه مدتهاست آنها در زندگی شهری خطری به وجود نمی آورند.
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